FreeGeek grant request submitted

[Russell Senior]

As discussed at last week's Monthly Meeting, I took a few spare
minutes this evening to submit a grant request to FreeGeek for a
smallish LCD display for use in node repair outings. Since we are
looking for small, hopefully that doesn't conflict with the dominant
use-pattern of "bigger==better" as far as desktop displays go.

Once again, for those following along, we are looking for a small LCD
display capable of 80x25 text to attach to our headless router boxes
when something has gone wrong, to help in diagnosing how to best fix
them. In the past we have borrowed the use of monitors for that
purpose, but we had an experience recently that highlighted the
downsides of that strategy. Our node host pointed at a monitor that
we could borrow, but it "died" when I touched it, and it turned out to
be the node host's point-of-sale system. Now, the node host was
gracious about it, and I really don't think it was anything I did, but
being able to not touch node host gear would remove this potentially
embarrassing kind of situation.

The idea is that we could carry a small lcd display in a brief case
along with a keyboard as part of a node repair kit.
--
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[Sam Churchill]

Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65 GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)

"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow WISP's
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that are
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units and 5
or more miles for outdoor."

Two words: Rocky Butte.

[Irving Popovetsky]

I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?

BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.

-Irving

Post by Sam Churchill
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65 GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow WISP's
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that are
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units and 5
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

--
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ProStructure Consulting http://www.prostructure.com
Network and Security Consulting phone: [phone] x201
"Crafting Connectivity that Matters"

[Tyler Booth]

I also understand that most of the west and east costs are excluded
from utilizing this "light-licensed" WISP band which is a shame,
because I've been saying that we need one for years. -Most- WISPs are
good at co-ordinating with each other when asked to do so. Residential
users on the other hand cloud up the space with cheap devices and make
it far more difficult to fully utilize what limited frequency space
we've been allocated.

Tyler Booth // President
ph. 503.548.2000 | fx. 503.548.2002
921 SW Washington St, Suite 224
Portland OR 97205

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Post by Sam Churchill
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65 GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow WISP's
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that are
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units and 5
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

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[Sam Churchill]

I think the problem is that 3650 overlaps satellite frequencies used by
earth stations on the coast. But if you're like 50 miles away from a big
earth station (like Brewster, WA), then you're okay.

I did a story on 3650 today on DW:
(http://www.dailywireless.org/2007/12/03/365-ghz-gets-real/)

Ball State got FCC approval to test 3.5 GHz with is currently used by the
military and not available generally in the United States. They got a mile
for indoor and 5 miles for outdoor at 3.5.

Ball State also has received some $750,000 for research projects like this.
Why not Portland State and PTP. And why not Rocky Butte? Imagine a dozen, 15
degree sectors feeding PTP nodes or multimedia kiosks. Airspan has a cpe
with 3.65 backhaul and WiFi local. No DSL costs. Trying to compete with
MetroFi and Clearwire will be tough, but if there are areas not covered or
services not available, this could be one solution.

And I like the grant idea.

- Sam
-------------------

I also understand that most of the west and east costs are excluded from
utilizing this "light-licensed" WISP band which is a shame, because I've
been saying that we need one for years. -Most- WISPs are good at
co-ordinating with each other when asked to do so. Residential users on the
other hand cloud up the space with cheap devices and make it far more
difficult to fully utilize what limited frequency space we've been
allocated.
[image: stephouse networks] <http://www.stephouse.net/>*Tyler Booth* //
President
ph. 503.548.2000 | fx. 503.548.2002
921 SW Washington St, Suite 224
Portland OR 97205
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.
-Irving
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65 GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow WISP's
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that are
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units and 5
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.
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ProStructure Consulting http://www.prostructure.com
Network and Security Consulting phone: [phone] x201
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[Michael Weinberg]

Post by Sam Churchill
Trying to compete with
MetroFi and Clearwire will be tough, but if there are areas not covered or
services not available, this could be one solution.

Compete in what sense? A research project wouldn't need to compete
financially, and I take if that PSU and PTP would be the only ones
with that frequency.

Also, given that the aforementioned companies have all of 20-25%
combined coverage in Portland, I can't really see the issue.

Post by Sam Churchill
And I like the grant idea.

Me too! Go grants!

Michael

[Stephen Ronan]

A map on page 66 of this FCC Order clarifies the areas that are outside
of the Fixed Satellite Station exclusion areas:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf
- Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Post by Sam Churchill
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65 GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow WISP's
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that are
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units and 5
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

[Sam Churchill]

Geez. From the look of that map, Portland's use of 3650 is getting killed
off by the NSA's Yakima monitoring station (some 150 miles south of
Brewster). Can't they just install a secret room?

- Sam
====

Post by Stephen Ronan
A map on page 66 of this FCC Order clarifies the areas that are outside
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf
- Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow

WISP's

Post by Irving Popovetsky

the ability to reach customers in various markets including those that

are

Post by Irving Popovetsky

not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a 120
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units

and 5

Post by Irving Popovetsky

or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

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[Sam Churchill]

Oh, wait, they already have a secret room in the Westin Building, don't they

(http://westinbuilding.com/telecom). So what's the point?

I guess they're being carefull, just in case the DOJ shuts them down.
- Sam
-------

Post by Sam Churchill
Geez. From the look of that map, Portland's use of 3650 is getting killed
off by the NSA's Yakima monitoring station (some 150 miles south of
Brewster). Can't they just install a secret room?
- Sam
====

Post by Stephen Ronan
A map on page 66 of this FCC Order clarifies the areas that are outside
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf
- Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from interfering
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at 3.65GHz.
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to allow

WISP's

Post by Irving Popovetsky

the ability to reach customers in various markets including those

that are

Post by Irving Popovetsky

not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a

120

Post by Irving Popovetsky

degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor units

and 5

Post by Irving Popovetsky

or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

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[Sam Churchill]

I was just guessing it was nsa's Yakima station. I'm not aware of any
intelsat earth stations around Portland. But it looks like the grey circle
is actually centered around Portland. Maybe some of the television earth
stations on sylvan hills or something.

- Sam

If anyone has any contacts at the NSA, you can negotiate to get 3.6GHz use
in the blacked out area, but clearly this is not easy. We wanted to use
3.6GHz for commercial purposes in Silicon Valley and Sacramento (where it
is also blacked out), but the owner was Sprint. Needless to say they were
not too interested in opening this spectrum to potential competitors!
It is too bad for portland and the other blacked out areas as 3.6GHz
really looks like a great oppty for WiMAX. The FCC really did it right
with 3.6GHz rulings. I am not sure when Intel Centrino will natively
support 3.6GHz in Centrino, I know it wont be there in this first release
coming out now (only 1.9, 2.3, 2.5 for now) - probably sometime end 08.
ty

Post by Sam Churchill
Oh, wait, they already have a secret room in the Westin Building, don't they
(http://westinbuilding.com/telecom). So what's the point?
I guess they're being carefull, just in case the DOJ shuts them down.
- Sam
-------

Post by Sam Churchill
Geez. From the look of that map, Portland's use of 3650 is getting killed
off by the NSA's Yakima monitoring station (some 150 miles south of
Brewster). Can't they just install a secret room?
- Sam
====

Post by Stephen Ronan
A map on page 66 of this FCC Order clarifies the areas that are

outside

Post by Stephen Ronan
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf
- Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from

interfering

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Post by Sam Churchill
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at

3.65GHz.

Post by Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to

allow

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Stephen Ronan
WISP's

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those

that are

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a

120

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor

units

Post by Stephen Ronan
and 5

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

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Post by Sam Churchill
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[Tyler van Houwelingen]

there should be a list of who owns the stations in the same FCC doc that was
referenced earlier. It may be worth looking into. We are pretty excited
about the 3.65 band and being able to really deploy a slice of WiMAX. 50MHz
of Spectrum is more than double what Clearwire has in most places and you
can go to 25Watts EIRP. You can get a lot of bandwidth and great blanket
coverage with that.

ty




----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Churchill" <schurchill-***@public.gmane.org>
Cc: <general-9Og1/ECgh1HxcOW5sQhHe+***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ptp-general] 3650 Mhz

Post by Sam Churchill
I was just guessing it was nsa's Yakima station. I'm not aware of any
intelsat earth stations around Portland. But it looks like the grey circle
is actually centered around Portland. Maybe some of the television earth
stations on sylvan hills or something.
- Sam

If anyone has any contacts at the NSA, you can negotiate to get 3.6GHz use
in the blacked out area, but clearly this is not easy. We wanted to use
3.6GHz for commercial purposes in Silicon Valley and Sacramento (where it
is also blacked out), but the owner was Sprint. Needless to say they were
not too interested in opening this spectrum to potential competitors!
It is too bad for portland and the other blacked out areas as 3.6GHz
really looks like a great oppty for WiMAX. The FCC really did it right
with 3.6GHz rulings. I am not sure when Intel Centrino will natively
support 3.6GHz in Centrino, I know it wont be there in this first release
coming out now (only 1.9, 2.3, 2.5 for now) - probably sometime end 08.
ty

Post by Sam Churchill
Oh, wait, they already have a secret room in the Westin Building, don't they
(http://westinbuilding.com/telecom). So what's the point?
I guess they're being carefull, just in case the DOJ shuts them down.
- Sam
-------

Post by Sam Churchill
Geez. From the look of that map, Portland's use of 3650 is getting killed
off by the NSA's Yakima monitoring station (some 150 miles south of
Brewster). Can't they just install a secret room?
- Sam
====

Post by Stephen Ronan
A map on page 66 of this FCC Order clarifies the areas that are

outside

Post by Stephen Ronan
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-05-56A1.pdf
- Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
I've read that the Portland metro area is in some kind of Satellite
station exclusion zone, as well as most other major coastal-state
cities. Was there any clarification or resolution about that?
BSU is in Muncie(!), IN, and therefore may be free from

interfering

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky
with said satellite stations.
-Irving

Post by Sam Churchill
Ball State University did a test of semi-license-free WiMAX at

3.65GHz.

Post by Stephen Ronan

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
(http://www.bsu.edu/owrm/)
"OWRM defined goals to determine the performance available to

allow

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Sam Churchill

Post by Stephen Ronan
WISP's

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
the ability to reach customers in various markets including those

that are

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
not feasible with
other technologies. The area covered by a single sector included a

120

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
degree path and extended out to approximately 1 mile for indoor

units

Post by Stephen Ronan
and 5

Post by Irving Popovetsky

Post by Sam Churchill
or more miles for outdoor."
Two words: Rocky Butte.

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